Some data on events in the area for context and this NOBEL family history stuff. Until recently the focus was on the mid to late 1600s (see below).
Around 1200 the counts of Holland started to 'hand out' parcels of essentially swamp land to enterprising folks - in a number of cases out of the Land van Altena en Heusden - in the area of Holland that bordered Brabant (Wiki).
However land was also used to get access into the life beyond this one "... in een afschrift van een akte van 29 - 31 augustus 1257, die te vinden is in de abdij van Sint-Truiden. In deze akte droegen [leenman] Walterus SPIRINCH, ridder/ heer VAN AALBURG, en zijn vrouw Ysalde al hun bezittingen over aan de abdij van Sint-Truiden, waaronder de tienden in de parochie "Waspich" (source: Waspik, a journey through time) en "Capella"."
Raamsdonk was mentioned as "Dunc" in early documents in about 1273, as in a sand hill or sand ridge.
There seems to be some religious link to the Prince Bishop of Liege/ Luik.
The 1300s/ 14th century AD: 1316 (Regional Archive Tilburg) "(Sinte Pauwels daege inden winter, int jaer ons Heeren duysent driehonderd ende zesthein). Willem, graaf VAN HEN[?]GOUWEN enz. geeft in leen aan Claes Gerritsz VAN WIELDRECHT ambocht van Raamsdonk, aldus begrensd: “de ooste eg van der Maze opwaerts gaende totter Donga, ende westzijde vander Donga te Waspijck toe, ende opt suyteynde bescheytsel de halve Donga”.
As said, in some references Raamsdonk shows up as Dunc.
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1400s/ The Nov 1421 flood dramatically affected the area (Rijksmuseum link and image), prior to the Dutch war of independence from Spain-Habsburg from 1568 (and 1581 Declaration of Independence).
Other innundations were recorded in 1570, 1610, 1627, 1634, 1629 (siege of 's-Hertogenbosch) and 1643.
"Most of what is now the Netherlands and Belgium was eventually united by the Duke OF BURGUNDY in 1433."
The 1500s to 1800s (?) saw a Little Ice Age.
Based on data quoted in 1615, Waspik had 385 people in 1514, and Raamsdonk had 539 people.
During the Habsburg period (until 1555, Wiki, sixteenth century AD), the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg were known as the Seventeen Provinces.
A turbulent period in the Netherlands was from 1568 - 1648, as the Dutch war for independence from Spain - Habsburg was fought.
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| England, France, States of the Holy Roman Empire and the Spanish Netherlands in 1579 |
After the Union of Utrecht was signed in 1579, what is now North Brabant province, which is essentially today the Dutch part of the total Brabant area, became a battlefield between the Protestant Republic of the Seven United Netherlands in the north and Catholic Spain, which occupied the southern Netherlands (Belgium/ Luxembourg).
Certainly, between 1579 - 1588 the Spanish Duke OF PARMA conquered most of Brabant (which stretches from, say, 's-Hertogenbosch (Bois-le-Duc) to Brussel/ Brussels/ Bruxelles). In them days, cities and towns that did not surrender, would face a post-siege period of rape and pillage.
[Elizabeth of ENGLAND in 1584 declined to take the reign of the Dutch United Provinces, refer ‘Anglo - Dutch - American Archipelago’ dynamism and the End Of The Old World, then ~2020.]
For example, Geertruidenberg was in Spanish hands between 1589 and 1593. When the occupiers of Geertruidenberg left, those sent to unsuccessfully relieve them, put homes in Waspik to the torch. (And here is a chart showing how water was used to make territory impassable.)
1600s. Apparently, between 1590 and 1607 (cease fire of 1609 to 1621) mutinying soldiers on the Spanish side had a big impact.
Given the use of mercenary armies, or the firm (William of Orange-Nassau/ King Philip OF SPAIN, unlike predecessor Charles didn’t have much of a connection with the Low Countries, with extended family and councils put in for enforcing the king’s desires, overriding any rights be it nobility/ clergy/ citizens, monarchy vs towns, and let’s not forget the outlook from Spain, or Portugal, at the time was a global one, looking so far afield such as to stumble over shoe laces closer to home in Europe, though much of the materials that were sourced in the West or East, ended up getting processed in the Low Countries … [refer Holland, the history of the Netherlands, 1792 to 1864, Thomas C GRATTAN, ~1830]) and silent interest (Elizabeth OF ENGLAND) of many rulers, many nationalities were present in this period: Boundaries and their meaning in the history of the Netherlands (2009).
Complaints about armed forces misbehaving to either The Hague (Staten) or Brussels (Waalen) didn't seem to help much [King Philip certainly seems to have had them troops linger for some time …].
Only after Breda was re-taken from the Spanish in 1637 did the "Zes grensdorpen buiten the Hollandsche tuin" get away from their border status.
The extended family situation is one of several meowing and woofing pets, my wife (JARVIE), her two daughters (LLOYD-GEORGE), my two daughters (NOBEL), ex-wife (QUAH), and me (NOBEL)[, spread over NSW to TAS].
(Inter)national sources used are here.
The family name origin sources used are here.
This page has sources predominantly for the Zuid Holland and Noord Brabant provinces, and specifically the Waspik/ Raamsdonk area.
1600s. Apparently, between 1590 and 1607 (cease fire of 1609 to 1621) mutinying soldiers on the Spanish side had a big impact.
Given the use of mercenary armies, or the firm (William of Orange-Nassau/ King Philip OF SPAIN, unlike predecessor Charles didn’t have much of a connection with the Low Countries, with extended family and councils put in for enforcing the king’s desires, overriding any rights be it nobility/ clergy/ citizens, monarchy vs towns, and let’s not forget the outlook from Spain, or Portugal, at the time was a global one, looking so far afield such as to stumble over shoe laces closer to home in Europe, though much of the materials that were sourced in the West or East, ended up getting processed in the Low Countries … [refer Holland, the history of the Netherlands, 1792 to 1864, Thomas C GRATTAN, ~1830]) and silent interest (Elizabeth OF ENGLAND) of many rulers, many nationalities were present in this period: Boundaries and their meaning in the history of the Netherlands (2009).
Complaints about armed forces misbehaving to either The Hague (Staten) or Brussels (Waalen) didn't seem to help much [King Philip certainly seems to have had them troops linger for some time …].
Only after Breda was re-taken from the Spanish in 1637 did the "Zes grensdorpen buiten the Hollandsche tuin" get away from their border status.
The plague visited in 1594 and 1614 - 1625.
The relocation of many in the Southern Netherlands to the cities north of the rivers helped bring about the Dutch Golden Age in the seventeenth Century!
In 1606, the Dutch were the first Europeans to have made it (confirmed) to what is now Australia.
"In the Netherlands the social status in the 17th century was largely determined by income. Social classes existed but in a new way. Aristocracy, or nobility, had sold out most of its privileges to cities, where merchants and their money were dominant. These tendencies have proved remarkably persistent: Modern Dutch society, though much more secularized, is still by many considered to be remarkably egalitarian."
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| Zeeland, Holland, Gelderland and Spanish Netherlands in 1629 |
The relocation of many in the Southern Netherlands to the cities north of the rivers helped bring about the Dutch Golden Age in the seventeenth Century!
In 1606, the Dutch were the first Europeans to have made it (confirmed) to what is now Australia.
"In the Netherlands the social status in the 17th century was largely determined by income. Social classes existed but in a new way. Aristocracy, or nobility, had sold out most of its privileges to cities, where merchants and their money were dominant. These tendencies have proved remarkably persistent: Modern Dutch society, though much more secularized, is still by many considered to be remarkably egalitarian."
"Bij de Vrede van Münster [of 1648] schonk Filips IV van Spanje Staats-Brabant als vredestraktaat aan de Republiek der Zeven Verenigde Nederlanden."
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*Adriaan Joosten NOBEL(E) or Arien Josten NOBEL or Adriaen NOBELE (1650 - 4 May 1710 Raamsdonk).
Jansonius map of North Brabant area from 1658.
1672 is known in Dutch history as 'Disaster Year' (NL: Rampjaar), for that is when the French and English ganged up on ...
The area saw a flood in 1682.
"In Oxford opent het Ashmolean Museum, het eerste universiteitsmuseum ter wereld", 1683. In the same year Poles break the [Ottoman] Siege of Vienna.
1685, "Lodewijk XIV VAN FRANKRIJK herroept het Edict van Nantes en verklaart het Protestantisme onwettig". [Louis XIV cancels the Nantes Edict making Protantism illegal.]
So far identified, possible candidates for the parenthood of Arien Arijsz/ Adriaensen/ Adriaanszoon NOBEL (1685) are:
Adrianus NOBEL (1643, ie 49 years in 1692, died before 1684) - father Corneli(u)s P(i)eters NOBEL (1612)/ mother Margaretha Adrianus CONINCX(1612) or
?Adrianus NOBEL (baptised Raamsdonk 30 Nov 1672, ie ~18 years in 1690, or only 13 in 1685 so unlikely) - father Joannes Cornelisse(n) NOBEL (1636) & mother Digna Cornelissen Jacobs TIMMERMANS (for years I thought this branch back in time most likely, given the parents' ages, Arien's first male child was Arien (after the grandfather), second male child was Johannes (after the greatgrandfather), first female child Lijsbet (after grandmother), but the first female child of the second marriage was called Piternel, Raamsdonk instead of Waspik or Capelle, but ...) or
*Adriaen NOBELE or Adriaan Joosten NOBEL(E) or Arien Josten NOBEL (1650 - 4 May 1710 Raamsdonk, or about 35 years of age in 1685, father ?, mother ?) married on 13 Jun 1685 Peeterken (Pieternelle Jans) PAANS (1650 - 1726, father Jan Huijberts PAANS and mother Lijsken CORNELIS). So far it seems there was one child *Arien NOBEL, baptised ~16 March 1685 in 's-Grevenduin - Capelle, or
(VERHAGEN certainly has this Arien of 1685 as the son of Adriaen NOBELE and Pieternelle PAENS.
The main source seems to be VAN DEN BERGH, who definitely used original records.)
(Joosten is apparently derived from the French Jodocus ... I note that Peter Jans NOBEL has a son name Judocus.)
Adrianus NOBEL (baptised Raamsdonk 17 Feb 1681, ie 11 years in 1692, marries in 1710) - father Cornelius Cornelissen NOBEL/
mother Anna Adriaen RASEN.
The earliest traces of our family history in the Netherlands, that we know of with some certainty, go back to before 1690 to *Arien Adriaens NOBEL(E)P/ Arie(n) Arijsz NOBEL/ Arien Adriaensen NOBEL/ Adriaan Adriaanszn NOBEL - these patroniems can be quite variable - (Greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgrandfather, in the town of Raamsdonk/ Ramesdonck/ Raamsdonck/ Ramsdonck/ Raemsdonck, Netherlands).
The area is known as the "westelijke Langstraat". (Here's a map of 1868.
About a century ago the area was known for leather goods.
This more up to date chart from North Brabant province shows clusters of economic activity in the 21st Century.)
In the days of Arien there are many references to peat (NL: turf) for heating, and the quality of hay from the land for feeding horses.
Historical documents make reference to a Saint Adrianus (Wiki). Raamsdonk has an Adrianushuis, which in the 20th Century AD was seemingly still run by nuns, as a primary school, reputedly place for babies of the unwed and aged care facility.
*Arien (1685 - after ~1724, ) first married Neeske Jansdr BUIJS (~1688, daughter of Jan Adriaense BUIJS and Lijsbet Thomassen SEIJLMANS). The NOBEL/ BUIJS marriage took place in the North Brabant province town of Waspik (also shown as Wasbeeck, swampy area near a stream, now in Waalwijk) on 14 Aug 1712 (impost aangifte 30 Jul 1712, Raamsdonkveer trouwen, 1696 - 1810). There were four or five children from their union:
Adriaen (1713), baptised 25 Jun 1713, Raamsdonk (Raamsdonk NG dopen, 1691 - 1812, 1a/69)
Ariaentje (1714), baptised 23 Dec 1714, Waspik
Elisabet(h)/ Lijsbet (1716), baptised 19 Jul 1716, Raamsdonk
*Johannes (also listed as Joannes or Jan, 1717, a year in which the polders van Raamsdonk have problems due to a storm/ watervloed)
Elisabet (1718).
Second marriage: NOBEL/ Maria JANSE VAN ST MEERTENS DIJK/ Martens Dijk (born at Babilonienbroek) on 31 Oct 1723 (ondertrouw 11 Oct 1723, Raamsdonkveer trouwen, 1696 - 1810) which resulted in two children:
Piternel (1724 Raamsdonk),
Anna (1727 Raamsdonk).
These two marriages have been confirmed based on documents from provincial archives (BHIC, "Kwartierstaat Cor en Jan VAN DEN BERGH" (baptisms and marriages Raamsdonk)/ Doekefkes, Verhagen (see Van Den Bergh, but also references marriages Raamsdonk at Regional Archief Tilburg), http://gvdz.tripod.com, Oedipus.
Waspik baptisms 1660-1716 (AJ Stasse): "NOBEL(E), Arien, j.m. [young man] van Rdk/ Raamsdonk, tr. Wsk (I) 30-7-1712 Neesken Jans BUIJS, j.d. geb. en won. Wsk/ Waspik: 1. Ariaentie, ged. Wsk 23-12-1714, 2. Elisabet, ged. Rdk 19-7-1716"), and further sources as listed below.
In 1689 William III OF ORANGE and Mary II [House of Stuart, subsequently Queen OF ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, FRANCE and IRELAND] had taken over the Pommy crown (Glorious Revolution, which saw Magna Carta get enhanced by a Bill of Rights), and for a while ruled it alongside the Seven United Provinces, only 40 years after the European peace treaty in 1648 had confirmed Dutch independence from catholic Spain, till 1702.
Incidentally in 1692, Western Europe had its far highest recorded earthquake ever, approximately 7 on the Richter scale, an event felt from Normandy to the Southern Netherlands and back to Switzerland.
1695 sees the French - "het nastreven van deze drie natuurlijke grenzen formuleerde, te weten de Rijn, de Alpen en de Pyreneeën" - bombardment of Brussels. [French foreign 'policy' at the time was to strive for borders on the Rhine, Alps and Pyrenees.]
1697 - Tsar Peter the Great comes to Holland.
1700s/ 1705 - Isaac NEWTON is knighted.
With greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgrandfather *Johannes/ Jan (baptised 15 Sep 1717, Waspik, married to Maria DE HEER) in the 18th century, the action moves to Dordrecht (definitively in Zuid Holland province), and then there were *Nijs/ Neijs (13 Mar 1754, timmerman (carpenter) married to Neeltje DE KONING), *Hendrik (10 Jun 1785, also spelled NOOBEL, journalier (worker for day hire) married to Huiberdina DE WITT).
The transfer of Holland areas south of the river Meuse (NL: Maas) to Brabant did not fully complete until the French occupation era of about 1814 (French departements today still are bounded by rivers). In Napoleon ‘history is but a fable agreed upon’ BONAPARTE's days the road from Paris to Amsterdam would run through this area.
If size matters, nearby larger cities include Dordrecht (N), Tilburg (S),Breda
In the 1800s/ 19th century, *Johannes (8 Apr 1831 or 1832, kuiper (barrelmaker), married to Adriana Visscher), *Johannes (15 Jan 1867, behanger (tradesman), in 1890 married to Johanna VAN EMMERIK, born 1866).
Johannes of 1867 and Johanna had Johannes (1890), Johannes Mar(t)inus (1891, I have been told the first two children stayed in Dordrecht, but the family moved to Delft in 1908), Adriana (1894), Adriana (1896), *Hendrik (1898) and Cornelis (1901).
[A census of 1809 showed about 1802 people in Waspik, and 1892 in Raamsdonk.]
Note: it seems that prior to 1811, dates recorded are baptism and burial, not birth or death.
Grandfather *Hendrik (3 May 1898 - 8 Nov 1969, behanger/ stoffeerder (tradesman) en later ziekenhuisportier passed away six months after my brother was born, married to Maria LALLEMAN (1899 - 1981, passed away during my secondary education)).
1900s. In the 20th century, the family moved on to The Hague/ Den Haag or 's-Gravenhage/ La Haye (father Johannes Marinus aka Rien, 1939 - 2006, hospital administrator/ manager of institutions for the care of handicapped children), also in Zuid Holland province.
My father's siblings are Jan (married to Wil, daughters Marjolein and Dineke), Piet (PJ, married to tante Wies, daughter Elma and son Emiel), Maartje Cornelia (tante Mary, 1926 - 2007, never married), Hen(dri)k (1930 - 1992, married to Jo, daughters Yvonne and Erica) and he *himself was the youngest.
My mother Ada (Agatha Klaziena, 1941 - 2006, nurse/ carer) from Pijnacker in Zuid Holland province had 3 siblings: Tiel, herself, Bert and Ineke (who with her husband Arend ended up as my god parents, and I fondly remember playing with her children Laura and Tom). Her father was married twice, into the VERSCHOOR and DE QUARTEL families (second marriage was in 1956). I am not sure how this came about, and I can't remember my mother mentioning her stepmother much.
My parents' wedding took place at the old Town Hall in the Java Straat in The Hague.
From The Hague we moved to Vijfhuizen (where my brother Herald was born, named after both grandfathers Hendrik and Gerardus) near Schiphol, and got send to 'missionary school' in Soest.
(As you may have noticed, not a lot of boys to carry on the family name, must be one reason why my grandmother on my father's side spoiled me rotten.
Me, John, being the eldest boy, besides uncle Piet's Emiel, and my brother Herald.)
It looks like I caught the travel bug early with my first flight on 15 December 1969 on KL831 from Amsterdam to Djakarta (the history of modern Indonesia since c. 1300 AD), with my parents doing a stint in Java.
In those days KLM handed out Equator certificates (mine is dated 16 December 1969), and circulated flight logs through the cabin. Our [BCA] DC8-53 was called 'Henri Dunant' and it looks like we stopped en-route at least in Athens, Beyrouth, Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur/ Singapore.
"Indonesia, a country in South East Asia consisting of 13,000 islands of which only about 3,000 are inhabited, is the fifth largest country in the world in terms of the size of the population; the four countries whose populations are larger than Indonesia are China (the People Republic of), India, the United States, and the Soviet Union. Indonesia obtained her independence on August 17, 1945, after being colonized by the Dutch since 1595 and by the Japanese since 1941 ...
The present Government of Indonesia is headed by President SUHARTO who replaced President SUKARNO in 1966. SUKARNO had been the President of Indonesia since Indonesia became an independent nation in 1945.
The country is divided into 26 provinces and each province consists of several regencies and municipalities; each regency is divided into sub-districts and each sub-district consists of several villages, and in many areas the villages are divided into smaller sub-villages. In the entire country there are 287 regencies and municipalities, 3,171 sub-districts, and about 45,272 villages."
Yogyakarta was at that time described in some brochures as "the store of Javanese art and culture", "Batik capital of the world", etc.
"The Sultan of Yogyakarta serves as the elected governor of the province."
It also meant home schooling ("Wereldschool/ Speelschool") for a bit, as we were closer to the Merapi volcano - or mountain of fire (still officially one of the least active on the ring of fire) - than town (based at a former TBC sanatorium), about 620 meter above sea level. "Although smoke can be seen emerging from the mountain top at least 300 days a year, several eruptions have caused fatalities."
There was other rumbling too as Indonesian President SUHARTO moved on the western parts of New Guinea (aka West Papua (with the support of America) or West Irian Jaya). Previously Holland, Germany, France and Britain had each controlled pieces.
Clearly, we had all sorts of royalty visiting (the caption in the book reads "he is still a little shy"). Here is a photo from Queen of the Netherlands from 1948 - 1980 and HRH/ ZKH "Juliana en Bernhard in Indonesie", made to commemorate their 1971 official state visit (twenty-six years, or a generation, after Indonesia's independence). I guess you cannot tell it is me ...
Other papers of the time, that I got hold of in 2006 - 2007 after my parents had passed away include notes on how Mum was often found at the (ITT Sheraton?) Ambarrukmo Palace Hotel's hairdresser of Madam Iki/ swimming club, a note from the Dutch Minister for CRM (cultuur, recreatie, maatschappelijk werk?) supporting development efforts, 'Bu SENDUK' as my unofficial grandfather, trips to Semarang and Sarangan (a former colonial days hill station favorite with crater lake) ... It seems we even had a white Aussie Holden at the time, besides a Landrover.
Coming back to Europe (apparently on Garuda (GA685), not KLM, we went through Bombay and Frankfurt) was a bit of a shock, especially climate wise, but we ended up in the beautiful Veluwe area near the heath(er) of Ermelo (where my sister Natascha was born, and my school was appropriately named 'De Klokbeker'), and subsequently between Soesterberg and Amersfoort (mid seventies), which had lots of trees to climb. Towards the end of primary school, we often cycled to nearby Camp New Amsterdam to watch the USAFE show off (with 32 TFS Phantoms making way for Eagles, then MDD/ now Boeing, they dubbed themselves "The Queen's Finest") for the benefit of international relations, and which I think was also near the first McDonald's in the Netherlands that I can remember.
I did my secondary school mostly in Hoogeveen, besides playing lots of hockey and tennis in het Spaarbankbos.
And of course time at the grass strip of Hoogeveen airport.
My father would usually forget to pack a camera (though we have some prints, negatives and slides), even for the holidays.
It was not until I finished tertiary education - well at least for a while - in the late 1980s (or my early to mid twenties), and back in The Hague, that I got much beyond - mostly Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, England, France, Denmark, Austria - North Western Europe again though.
I moved to Australia/ New Holland/ Sydney NSW, in the early 1990s, went to Switzerland and the Netherlands/ Flevoland for a bit, and returned in the mid 2000s (in the 21st century).
(Update: Geneanet.org tree link!)
*Adriaan Joosten NOBEL(E) or Arien Josten NOBEL or Adriaen NOBELE (1650 - 4 May 1710 Raamsdonk).
Jansonius map of North Brabant area from 1658.
1672 is known in Dutch history as 'Disaster Year' (NL: Rampjaar), for that is when the French and English ganged up on ...
The area saw a flood in 1682.
"In Oxford opent het Ashmolean Museum, het eerste universiteitsmuseum ter wereld", 1683. In the same year Poles break the [Ottoman] Siege of Vienna.
1685, "Lodewijk XIV VAN FRANKRIJK herroept het Edict van Nantes en verklaart het Protestantisme onwettig". [Louis XIV cancels the Nantes Edict making Protantism illegal.]
So far identified, possible candidates for the parenthood of Arien Arijsz/ Adriaensen/ Adriaanszoon NOBEL (1685) are:
Adrianus NOBEL (1643, ie 49 years in 1692, died before 1684) - father Corneli(u)s P(i)eters NOBEL (1612)/ mother Margaretha Adrianus CONINCX(1612) or
*Adriaen NOBELE or Adriaan Joosten NOBEL(E) or Arien Josten NOBEL (1650 - 4 May 1710 Raamsdonk, or about 35 years of age in 1685, father ?, mother ?) married on 13 Jun 1685 Peeterken (Pieternelle Jans) PAANS (1650 - 1726, father Jan Huijberts PAANS and mother Lijsken CORNELIS). So far it seems there was one child *Arien NOBEL, baptised ~16 March 1685 in 's-Grevenduin - Capelle, or
(VERHAGEN certainly has this Arien of 1685 as the son of Adriaen NOBELE and Pieternelle PAENS.
The main source seems to be VAN DEN BERGH, who definitely used original records.)
(Joosten is apparently derived from the French Jodocus ... I note that Peter Jans NOBEL has a son name Judocus.)
Adrianus NOBEL (baptised Raamsdonk 17 Feb 1681, ie 11 years in 1692, marries in 1710) - father Cornelius Cornelissen NOBEL/
mother Anna Adriaen RASEN.
The earliest traces of our family history in the Netherlands, that we know of with some certainty, go back to before 1690 to *Arien Adriaens NOBEL(E)P/ Arie(n) Arijsz NOBEL/ Arien Adriaensen NOBEL/ Adriaan Adriaanszn NOBEL - these patroniems can be quite variable - (Greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgrandfather, in the town of Raamsdonk/ Ramesdonck/ Raamsdonck/ Ramsdonck/ Raemsdonck, Netherlands).
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| Modern clusters of activity showing food, bio, maintenance, logistics, life sciences and high tech |
About a century ago the area was known for leather goods.
This more up to date chart from North Brabant province shows clusters of economic activity in the 21st Century.)
In the days of Arien there are many references to peat (NL: turf) for heating, and the quality of hay from the land for feeding horses.
Historical documents make reference to a Saint Adrianus (Wiki). Raamsdonk has an Adrianushuis, which in the 20th Century AD was seemingly still run by nuns, as a primary school, reputedly place for babies of the unwed and aged care facility.
*Arien (1685 - after ~1724, ) first married Neeske Jansdr BUIJS (~1688, daughter of Jan Adriaense BUIJS and Lijsbet Thomassen SEIJLMANS). The NOBEL/ BUIJS marriage took place in the North Brabant province town of Waspik (also shown as Wasbeeck, swampy area near a stream, now in Waalwijk) on 14 Aug 1712 (impost aangifte 30 Jul 1712, Raamsdonkveer trouwen, 1696 - 1810). There were four or five children from their union:
Adriaen (1713), baptised 25 Jun 1713, Raamsdonk (Raamsdonk NG dopen, 1691 - 1812, 1a/69)
Ariaentje (1714), baptised 23 Dec 1714, Waspik
Elisabet(h)/ Lijsbet (1716), baptised 19 Jul 1716, Raamsdonk
*Johannes (also listed as Joannes or Jan, 1717, a year in which the polders van Raamsdonk have problems due to a storm/ watervloed)
Elisabet (1718).
Second marriage: NOBEL/ Maria JANSE VAN ST MEERTENS DIJK/ Martens Dijk (born at Babilonienbroek) on 31 Oct 1723 (ondertrouw 11 Oct 1723, Raamsdonkveer trouwen, 1696 - 1810) which resulted in two children:
Piternel (1724 Raamsdonk),
Anna (1727 Raamsdonk).
These two marriages have been confirmed based on documents from provincial archives (BHIC, "Kwartierstaat Cor en Jan VAN DEN BERGH" (baptisms and marriages Raamsdonk)/ Doekefkes, Verhagen (see Van Den Bergh, but also references marriages Raamsdonk at Regional Archief Tilburg), http://gvdz.tripod.com, Oedipus.
Waspik baptisms 1660-1716 (AJ Stasse): "NOBEL(E), Arien, j.m. [young man] van Rdk/ Raamsdonk, tr. Wsk (I) 30-7-1712 Neesken Jans BUIJS, j.d. geb. en won. Wsk/ Waspik: 1. Ariaentie, ged. Wsk 23-12-1714, 2. Elisabet, ged. Rdk 19-7-1716"), and further sources as listed below.
In 1689 William III OF ORANGE and Mary II [House of Stuart, subsequently Queen OF ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, FRANCE and IRELAND] had taken over the Pommy crown (Glorious Revolution, which saw Magna Carta get enhanced by a Bill of Rights), and for a while ruled it alongside the Seven United Provinces, only 40 years after the European peace treaty in 1648 had confirmed Dutch independence from catholic Spain, till 1702.
Incidentally in 1692, Western Europe had its far highest recorded earthquake ever, approximately 7 on the Richter scale, an event felt from Normandy to the Southern Netherlands and back to Switzerland.
1695 sees the French - "het nastreven van deze drie natuurlijke grenzen formuleerde, te weten de Rijn, de Alpen en de Pyreneeën" - bombardment of Brussels. [French foreign 'policy' at the time was to strive for borders on the Rhine, Alps and Pyrenees.]
1697 - Tsar Peter the Great comes to Holland.
1700s/ 1705 - Isaac NEWTON is knighted.
With greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgrandfather *Johannes/ Jan (baptised 15 Sep 1717, Waspik, married to Maria DE HEER) in the 18th century, the action moves to Dordrecht (definitively in Zuid Holland province), and then there were *Nijs/ Neijs (13 Mar 1754, timmerman (carpenter) married to Neeltje DE KONING), *Hendrik (10 Jun 1785, also spelled NOOBEL, journalier (worker for day hire) married to Huiberdina DE WITT).
The transfer of Holland areas south of the river Meuse (NL: Maas) to Brabant did not fully complete until the French occupation era of about 1814 (French departements today still are bounded by rivers). In Napoleon ‘history is but a fable agreed upon’ BONAPARTE's days the road from Paris to Amsterdam would run through this area.
If size matters, nearby larger cities include Dordrecht (N), Tilburg (S),
In the 1800s/ 19th century, *Johannes (8 Apr 1831 or 1832, kuiper (barrelmaker), married to Adriana Visscher), *Johannes (15 Jan 1867, behanger (tradesman), in 1890 married to Johanna VAN EMMERIK, born 1866).
Johannes of 1867 and Johanna had Johannes (1890), Johannes Mar(t)inus (1891, I have been told the first two children stayed in Dordrecht, but the family moved to Delft in 1908), Adriana (1894), Adriana (1896), *Hendrik (1898) and Cornelis (1901).
[A census of 1809 showed about 1802 people in Waspik, and 1892 in Raamsdonk.]
Note: it seems that prior to 1811, dates recorded are baptism and burial, not birth or death.
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| Purportedly grandparents at the wedding (Oma Maria Lalleman is third from the left, Mary to her right.) |
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| Wedding of Johannes and Ada in The Hague's 'Old' Town Hall |
My father's siblings are Jan (married to Wil, daughters Marjolein and Dineke), Piet (PJ, married to tante Wies, daughter Elma and son Emiel), Maartje Cornelia (tante Mary, 1926 - 2007, never married), Hen(dri)k (1930 - 1992, married to Jo, daughters Yvonne and Erica) and he *himself was the youngest.
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| Bert, Ada, Ineke and Tiel |
My parents' wedding took place at the old Town Hall in the Java Straat in The Hague.
From The Hague we moved to Vijfhuizen (where my brother Herald was born, named after both grandfathers Hendrik and Gerardus) near Schiphol, and got send to 'missionary school' in Soest.
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| Oma and me in The Hague |
Me, John, being the eldest boy, besides uncle Piet's Emiel, and my brother Herald.)
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| Xmas 1968 |
It looks like I caught the travel bug early with my first flight on 15 December 1969 on KL831 from Amsterdam to Djakarta (the history of modern Indonesia since c. 1300 AD), with my parents doing a stint in Java.
In those days KLM handed out Equator certificates (mine is dated 16 December 1969), and circulated flight logs through the cabin. Our [BCA] DC8-53 was called 'Henri Dunant' and it looks like we stopped en-route at least in Athens, Beyrouth, Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur/ Singapore.
"Indonesia, a country in South East Asia consisting of 13,000 islands of which only about 3,000 are inhabited, is the fifth largest country in the world in terms of the size of the population; the four countries whose populations are larger than Indonesia are China (the People Republic of), India, the United States, and the Soviet Union. Indonesia obtained her independence on August 17, 1945, after being colonized by the Dutch since 1595 and by the Japanese since 1941 ...
The present Government of Indonesia is headed by President SUHARTO who replaced President SUKARNO in 1966. SUKARNO had been the President of Indonesia since Indonesia became an independent nation in 1945.
The country is divided into 26 provinces and each province consists of several regencies and municipalities; each regency is divided into sub-districts and each sub-district consists of several villages, and in many areas the villages are divided into smaller sub-villages. In the entire country there are 287 regencies and municipalities, 3,171 sub-districts, and about 45,272 villages."
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| Oma Maria with aunt Mary visiting us in Indonesia, returning to Europe was a real shock |
"The Sultan of Yogyakarta serves as the elected governor of the province."
It also meant home schooling ("Wereldschool/ Speelschool") for a bit, as we were closer to the Merapi volcano - or mountain of fire (still officially one of the least active on the ring of fire) - than town (based at a former TBC sanatorium), about 620 meter above sea level. "Although smoke can be seen emerging from the mountain top at least 300 days a year, several eruptions have caused fatalities."
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| At Borobodur |
There was other rumbling too as Indonesian President SUHARTO moved on the western parts of New Guinea (aka West Papua (with the support of America) or West Irian Jaya). Previously Holland, Germany, France and Britain had each controlled pieces.
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| Reception in Yogyakarta, and I am hiding behind my mother, during state visit of Queen Juliana in 1971 |
Other papers of the time, that I got hold of in 2006 - 2007 after my parents had passed away include notes on how Mum was often found at the (ITT Sheraton?) Ambarrukmo Palace Hotel's hairdresser of Madam Iki/ swimming club, a note from the Dutch Minister for CRM (cultuur, recreatie, maatschappelijk werk?) supporting development efforts, 'Bu SENDUK' as my unofficial grandfather, trips to Semarang and Sarangan (a former colonial days hill station favorite with crater lake) ... It seems we even had a white Aussie Holden at the time, besides a Landrover.
Coming back to Europe (apparently on Garuda (GA685), not KLM, we went through Bombay and Frankfurt) was a bit of a shock, especially climate wise, but we ended up in the beautiful Veluwe area near the heath(er) of Ermelo (where my sister Natascha was born, and my school was appropriately named 'De Klokbeker'), and subsequently between Soesterberg and Amersfoort (mid seventies), which had lots of trees to climb. Towards the end of primary school, we often cycled to nearby Camp New Amsterdam to watch the USAFE show off (with 32 TFS Phantoms making way for Eagles, then MDD/ now Boeing, they dubbed themselves "The Queen's Finest") for the benefit of international relations, and which I think was also near the first McDonald's in the Netherlands that I can remember.
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| Backyard snow with from right to left, Natascha, Herald and me |
And of course time at the grass strip of Hoogeveen airport.
My father would usually forget to pack a camera (though we have some prints, negatives and slides), even for the holidays.
It was not until I finished tertiary education - well at least for a while - in the late 1980s (or my early to mid twenties), and back in The Hague, that I got much beyond - mostly Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, England, France, Denmark, Austria - North Western Europe again though.
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| John NOBEL at Moore Reef - off Cairns - QLD in 1992 |
The extended family situation is one of several meowing and woofing pets, my wife (JARVIE), her two daughters (LLOYD-GEORGE), my two daughters (NOBEL), ex-wife (QUAH), and me (NOBEL)[, spread over NSW to TAS].
(Inter)national sources used are here.
The family name origin sources used are here.
This page has sources predominantly for the Zuid Holland and Noord Brabant provinces, and specifically the Waspik/ Raamsdonk area.
- OpenArch which covers the Netherlands and Belgium.
- Even though the Raamsdonk/ Waspik area used to be part of Holland, it is part of Brabant since 1814 [in France rivers and natural obstacles have been used to define administrative boundaries, Napoleon BONAPARTE didn’t change that] so most records will be in Brabant (provinces, possibly (Bois-le-Duc) 's-Hertogenbosch or Den Bosch, or the Flemish equivalent say Antwerp, may be Turnhout or Brussels).
A Brabant provincial wide search of Nobels was done through BHIC (which shows NOBELS from about mid 1500 onwards when I looked at it), including historical geography Brabant and Regional Archive Tilburg (for example Oorkondenboek Brabant 694 - 1312), and Uni Tilburg (records prior to 1600 are generally in Latin).
Make sure you check out theBreda - Noord-Brabant tijdens de Republiek der Verenigde Nederlanden, 1572 - 1795 (including numerous sections on the Holland areas).
- Ramsdonck/ Raamsdonck/ Raamsdonk (a bit to the west) is a village (dorp) in Noord Brabant province, part of (gemeente) Geertruydenberg/ Geertruidenberg (stadsrechten 1213, St Bavo church seems to have a rich history, was removed from Spanish hands in 1593) council since 1997, situated in the Langstraat area (known for leather goods). The town and several polders comprising about 72 drowned towns, was largely destroyed during a flood in Nov 1421 (Wiki: flooding/ watersnoodrampen in the Netherlands).
Polderarchives of Raamsdonk 1317-1813 (archives, Raamsdonk archives) have been moved to Tilburg. - Waspich (1275)/ Waspik (a bit to the east) is now part of Waalwijk council. Rechterlijke archiven Groot Waspik (DOEFEKES, JvdB, judicial archives wider Waspik area, see also Langstraat area). History of Waspik (1) (2).
Interestingly, a shipyard was the biggest employer from about 1850 - 1971. - And Capelle is a bit to the east of Waspik.
- Des Graven Moer (towards south south west): "Op een hoge zandrug - een stroornwal van de Maas - die zich uitstrekte van Geertruidenberg tot Besooijen ontstonden in de elfde eeuw de dorpen Raamsdonk, Waspik, Capelle en Besooijen."
- Sprang Capelle (taxes in the six Holland villages were collected from Dordrecht): "De belastingen in de Hollandse dorpen werden geïnd vanuit Dordrecht. Deze stad lag daarover regelmatig overhoop met Geertruidenberg. Rond het einde van de middeleeuwen werd het systeem van belastingheffing veranderd en werden Raamsdonk, Waspik, Capelle, Besoyen, Sprang en ’s Gravenmoer voor de belasting een eenheid. Vanaf 1542 werden deze dorpen aangeduid als de zes Zuidhollandse dorpen in de Langstraat."
- Overleven Buiten De Hollandse Tuin (book covering the eighty years war plus 400 years), de zes Hollandse dorpen (2004).
- The Zuid Holland provincial archives are kept at the Dutch National Archives. Zuid Holland / Dordrecht digitalised archives (see above between around 1300 - 1814 the area was largely part of Holland, not Brabant).
Oorkondenboek Zeeland en Holland (ING). - Dordt genealogy before 1811, and after 1811.
- The Bishop of Leuven/ Louvain - Belgium) apparently had this area under control for some time also. To be investigated.
- Soldiersgenealogie 17th century.
- Digitale Biografie Nederlandse Geschiedenis (DBNG).
- What used these places be called (Rabbel)?
- Religion in the NL, examples of the impact of religious wars include the French treatment of Hugenots from 1562 onwards, many of whom managed to escape (1572). Apparently Amsterdam alone received about 12'000.
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